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Aspetta, that actually all rings quite true to me somehow.

Many of my recurring dreams and nightmares have always dealt with the fear (horrible fear, really) of losing my true, higher self. Forgetting who I really am, if you will. It always has to do with coming here and living this life and forgetting who I really am as a larger, more whole entity.

I hear music in my dreams quite frequently. I'm an amateur musician and my best songs all come from dreams. They often tell me things that I don't understand, but which feel important. Sometimes someone is singing to me. A few particular occasions stand out.

Once, while surrounded by a toy train set (again with the train theme lol) a woman sang, "Fear you were just beginning to feel. Words you were too knowledeable to say." Another time someone sang, "You can ride on your train, as long as you don't forget who you are."

In another dream I was captured by someone and turned into a (literal) robot, whose only memory of his true identity and human self was the repeating phrase, "some sounds are so important."

Clearly these are strong personal archetypes for me (trains, traveling along a path to a fixed destination along a set route, everyone on the train eventually converging at the same point.)

So I think the fear and dread in my dreams is not of projecting, but of losing my true self, perhaps by NOT learning to reconnect with my higher self and a broader view of reality that I might be losing or missing out on by NOT learning to project, or something similar along those lines.

One of the strangest experiences of my life was when I visited Angel Island in the bay, and got severely sunburned. Now, the reason I went there at all was because it was extremely reminiscent of a recurring dream I always used to have of being a ball of light, traveling with other balls of colored light, through the sky. It was raining, and the skies were beautifully grey (I've always adored the rain and the grey sky, as well as grey in general. It isn't the bland, depressing color to me that it is to most people.) Suddenly, we all crash landed on a beach, and I felt a powerful, sudden sense of loss. (Again with the crashing near the bay, and the sense of loss, just as with the plane crash dream; except this time it was ME crashing.) The balls of light, very briefly, became white birds, laying on the beach with broken wings. Then we all became people. A girl said to me, "See you when we're older," and then we all left the beach (I always presumed, to go and be born.)

I cannot articulate in words how TRAGIC this felt in the dream. It felt like everything I loved, cherished, cared about, and longed for, was being taken away from me, and as if I ran the risk of never seeing those entities/balls of light/people again. I know that sounds crazy, but that's always how it's felt.

Anyhow, I went to Angel Island, because it always reminded me of that dream. As I said, I got very severely sunburned. (I'm very sensitive to the sun for various reasons. I have a perpetually elevated serotonin level which causes me to have very severe allergic and immunological reactions to many things, including common illnesses, sunlight, heat, etc.) Ater returning home, while recovering from the horrible sunburn with a high fever, I had a vision.

In the vision, someone surrounded by a bright light that was blinding, with a hood or robe of some kind covering them, held a thick, ancient-seeming, leather-bound book. They seemed to be reading from it. I had no idea what they were saying, but phonetically it sounded like, "are-bahs en-oo-tay En-vick-tay moon-day." I immediately wrote down the phonetic sounding of it, as I felt it was somehow important.

YEARS later, I found that the only language that had those sounds in it was Latin, and that it likely said:

"Ar-bas in ut te invicte munde."

I'm not very good with Latin grammar, so I don't know what this would specifically say as a fluent, English sentence, but individually the words mean:

(Indicative past tense) Structure that moved, grew, or proved
(Accusatory direction) Into, toward, or against
(Subjunctive command i.e. "See to it that," "Ensure that," "Prove that," "Make it so that," etc.) that
(Ablative i.e. identifying who or what) you
(singular vocative i.e. addressing someone, "Oh vanquished foe," etc.) unconquered or undefeated
(singular vocative again) mankind or world

So, basically, it said, "Structure that moved/grew/proved into/toward/against, that you, unconquered mankind/world."

Like I said, I don't know how to make it a fluent English sentence that would actually make sense lol. Any insights, anyone? This one has really perplexed me for years.


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Wow you've had some very interesting experiences!

I wonder if you've ever read the works of William Blake?? "Jerusalem" in particular... I guess it's comparable to The Divine Comedy (Dante) - in fact, Dante commissioned him to do the paintings for The Divine Comedy, but he died without being able to finish the work.

Anyway, lot of his mythology rings true when you talk about your experiences. Especially with the whole music thing and "some sounds are so important".

From my Alchemy Book:
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For Blake, the image of Jacob's Ladder as a gate to heaven was closely allied to the anatomy of the ear, whose passages he calls "the endlessly twisting spiral ascents to the Heaven of Heavens (...)." According to Swedenborg, with whose writings Blake was familiar, the "opening of the inner ear" is the precondition for making contact with the higher worlds."


And the theory that sound is behind everything in Nature came from Pythagoras:
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...when Pythagoras heard the different sound made by hammers in a forge, he realized that tones can be expressed in quantitative relationships.... Using stringed instruments, he then discovered the connection between vibration frequencies and pitch. The whole world, according to Pythagoras' theory, consisted of harmony and number. Both the Microcosmic Soul and the Macrocosmic Universe were assembled according to ideal proportions, which can be expressed in a sequence of tones.


That's why I always "keep my ears open" lol. In alchemy, they talk about "The Music of the Spheres" - they say that music on the terrestrial realm is "but a shade of the 'musica mundana'... and this in turn is merely a faint echo of the divine music of the nine choirs of angels."

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(I've always adored the rain and the grey sky, as well as grey in general. It isn't the bland, depressing color to me that it is to most people.)


oh me too!!! :-D It's hard to explain - somehow I just feel "right" when the day is overcast - everything feels right and I feel more motivated and creative throughout the day.

BTW - have you ever read any Sylvia Browne books? She's that famous psychic that was debunked by Anderson Cooper like maybe a year or two ago. I was a big fan of hers before I found out what a fraud she is - at least on the business side of her psychic ability.

Anyway, I remember distinctly from her books that when we die we usually "wake up" on a beach and that the sky on "the other side" appears perpetually overcast (she says "daylight" appears significantly dimmer than it does here). Moments like this where I bump into a random story like yours that happens to corroborate something she said - makes me wonder if maybe she WAS psychic at the beginning of her life and maybe started losing her ability the more money-oriented she became (like a sort of "fall from grace"). Maybe there are elements of truth to her descriptions of "the other side" - like this Beach thing and the overcast/light thing??

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I had no idea what they were saying, but phonetically it sounded like, "are-bahs en-oo-tay En-vick-tay moon-day."


Hmm... I speak Spanish, which is pretty close to Latin, and I read that phrase over and over... I tried to think of it phonetically and I came up with a new 'translation' that sounds right to me (considering the english interpretations of Latin-language sounds: for example the "day" at the end of moon-day is the way an english speaking ear interprets the sound "deh".

So "are-bahs" would be Orbas
"en-oo-tay" would be eno te
"En-vick-tay moon-day" would be invicte munde

Orbas - Bereft, Deprived, Childless
eno - swim out
te - you
invicte - invincible, unconquerable
munde - world, universe

So:
Orbas eno te invicte munde = Deprived, swim out you invincible world.

That's a literal translation, but it does not take grammar into account, and that could change the meaning completely. For example: in English when you describe something, the adjective comes before the noun "Red Car" - but in Spanish, it's the other way around "Carro Rojo" - the adjective comes after the noun. It's also possible that "Te" means both "you" and "your" as in Spanish "Tu" means "you" and "your"

When I read the phrase (as a Spanish speaker, and assuming that phonetic interpretation is correct) it feels more natural for it to mean something like:

Deprived and Bereft - Swim Out to your Invincible Universe!


Hope that helps! :ganja:

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Aspetta17 wrote:
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(I've always adored the rain and the grey sky, as well as grey in general. It isn't the bland, depressing color to me that it is to most people.)


oh me too!!! :-D It's hard to explain - somehow I just feel "right" when the day is overcast - everything feels right and I feel more motivated and creative throughout the day.


Count me in. ;-)


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Beyondtheordinary - i second that ! :) :love: it!

Nothing like a good thunder/lighting storm to up the cells!
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Post Re: Personal synchronicities regarding dreams and Donnie Darko.
I like fog, and twilight hours, when it's all kinda grey and "dreamy." In The Dawn of Astronomy,the author states that Isis (the veil/mysteries incarnate) represents dawn and twilight hours.
How old are you, if you don't mind answering; many of us are around the same age (27 now). On a personal note, I too have some wicked social anxiety!

The feeling of loss would be quite natural, but the dream of the beach should remind you that no one is really lost and you all continually meet again and again. It's very reminiscent of past-life/between-life memories I've read.

The (possible) Latin is interesting. The "structure" would probably be your body considering the context. "Leaving your body proves to you that you belong to an immortal realm." - is my interpretation. Seems to go well with Aspetta17's Spanish version of it.

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I love rain and fog and so-called "gloom" too. It feels romantic and dreamy and imaginative to me.


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I was skimming through Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot today when I came across the parts on synchronicity (starting on page 78) and thought it would fit nicely in this thread. I'm sure most of us are familiar with part of this story, but incase any lurkers out there arn't, I'll post it all.

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[Psychologist Carl] Jung was treating a woman whose staunchly rational approach to life was made it difficult for her to benefit from therapy. After a number of frustrating sessions the woman told Jung about a dream involving a scarab beetle. Jung knew that in Egyptian mythology the scarab represented rebirth and wondered if the woman's unconscious mind was symbolically announcing that she was about to undergo some kind of psychological rebirth. He was just about to tell her this when something tapped on the window, and he looked up to see a gold-green scarab on theo ther side of the glass) it was the only time a scarab beelte had ever appeared at Jung's window). He opened the window and allowed the scarab to fly into the room as he presented his interpretation of the dream. The woman was so stunned that she tempered her excessive rationality, and from that point on her response to therapy improved.

Jung encountered many such meaningful coincidences during his psychotheraputic work and noticed that they almost always accompanied periods of emotional intensity and transformation: fundamental changes in belief, sudden and new insights, deaths, births, even changes in profession. He also noticed that they tended to peak when the new realization or insight was just about to surface in a patient's consciousness.

[...] Zurich-based psychiatrist Carl Alfred Meier, a longtime associate of Jung's, tells of a synchronicity that spanned many years. An American woman suffering from serious depression traveled all the way from Wuchang, China, to be treated by Meier. She was a surgeon and had headed a mission hospital in Wuchang for twenty years. She had also become involved in the culture and was an expert in Chinese philosophy. During the course of her therapy she told Meier of a dream in which she had seen the hospital with one of it's wings destroyed. Because her identiy was so intertwined with the hospital, Meier felt her dream was telling her she was losing her sense of self, her American identity, and that was the cause of her depression. He advised her to return to the States, and when she did her depression quickly vanished, just as he had predicted. Before she departed he also had her do a detailed sketch of the crumbling hospital.

Years later the Japanese attacked China and bombed Wuchang Hospital. The woman sent Meier a copy of Life magazine containing a double-page photograph of the partially destroyed hospital, and it was identical to the drawing she had produced nine years earlier. The symbolic and highly personal message of her dream had somehow spilled beyond the boundaries of her psyche and into physical reality.

Because of their striking nature, Jung became convinced that such synchronicities were not chance occurrences, but were in fact related to the psychological processes of the individuals who experienced them. Since he could not conceive how an occurrence deep in the psyche could cause an event or series of events in the physical world, at least in the classical sense, he proposed that some new principle must be involved, and acausal connecting principle hitherto unknown to science.

[...] Physicist Paul Davies states, "These non-local quantum effects are indeed a form of synchronicity in the sense that they establish a connection - more precisley a correlation - between events for which any form of causal linkage is forbidden."

[... Physicist F. David Peat] believes that Jungian-type synchronicities are not only real, but offer further evidence of the implicate order. As we have seen, according to Bohm the apparent separateness of consciousness and matter is an illusion, an artifact that occurs only after both have unfolded into the explicate world of objects and sequential time. If there is no division between mind and matter in the implicate, the ground from which all things spring, then it is not unusual to expect that reality might still be shot through with traces of this deep connectivity. Peat believes that synchronicities are therefore "flaws" in the fabric of reality, momentary fissures that allow us a brief glimpse of the immense and unitary order underlying all of nature.

Put it another way, Peat thinks that synchronicities reveal the absence of division between the phyisical world and our inner psychological reality. Thus the relative scarcity of synchronous experiences in our lives shows not only the extent to which we have fragmented ourselves from the general field of consciousness, but also the degree to which we have sealed ourselves off from the infinite and dazzling potential of the deeper orders of mind and reality. According to Peat, when we experience a synchronicity, what we are really experiencing "is the human mind operating, for a moment, in its true order of extending throughout society and nature, moving through orders of increasing subtley, reaching past the source of mind and matter into creativity itself."


Funny how the physicist F. David Peat believes that the lack of synchronicities in peoples lives is an indication of their separateness from the "field of consciousness" and "creativity itself." Obviously he's never met a synchronaut! :D

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Post Re: Personal synchronicities regarding dreams and Donnie Darko.
Very intriguing posts, one and all.

I've always had a pet theory that what Jung called the collective unconscious, and what others (as mentioned above) believed were evidence of a cohesion of the totality of reality on the implicate level described in philosophy, were actually related, in that they both represent a collective interconnectedness of which we are not always consciously aware.

This fascinates me because it has deep implications for where the individual ends and the whole begins, our concepts of self and identity, and the duality of collectivism and individualism.


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Just had something weird happen lol. My mom went to the library today and saw a movie called the Haunting that she felt compelled to check out. She brought it home and started watching it in her room, and what was in the previews? A preview for S Darko lol.


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